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	<title>Comments on: City of Ann Arbor Awards Liquor License to Itself</title>
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		<title>By: Carol Shepherd</title>
		<link>http://ronsuarez.com/2008/02/05/city-of-ann-arbor-awards-liquor-license-to-itself/#comment-18793</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The argument is that with a Liquor License the golf course could stop losing money. "

"Stop losing money" really says it all, doesn't it.

Interesting choice to be subsidized with our city tax dollars.  If I recall correctly, doesn't Michigan already have more golf course holes per capita than any other state?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The argument is that with a Liquor License the golf course could stop losing money. &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Stop losing money&#8221; really says it all, doesn&#8217;t it.</p>
<p>Interesting choice to be subsidized with our city tax dollars.  If I recall correctly, doesn&#8217;t Michigan already have more golf course holes per capita than any other state?</p>
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		<title>By: MR Elliott</title>
		<link>http://ronsuarez.com/2008/02/05/city-of-ann-arbor-awards-liquor-license-to-itself/#comment-17124</link>
		<dc:creator>MR Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please consider this information when thinking about whether a liquor
license will make the A2 golf course more competitive with private
courses. How much more of the taxpayers money are you willing to
spend to compete with private courses on a sport in which people are
losing interest?

Read the whole &lt;a target="_blank" title="go to NY Times online article" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/nyregion/21golf.html?"&gt;NY Times article&lt;/a&gt;: â€œMore Americans Are Giving Up Golfâ€

Here is an excerpt:

â€œWe have to change our mentality,â€ said Richard Rocchio, a public relations consultant.

â€œThe problem is time,â€ offered Walter Hurney, a real estate developer. â€œThere just isnâ€™t enough time. Men wonâ€™t spend a whole day away from their family anymore.â€

William A. Gatz, owner of the Long Island National Golf Club in Riverhead, said the problem was fundamental economics: too much supply, not enough demand.

The problem was not a game of golf. It was the game of golf itself.

Over the past decade, the leisure activity most closely associated with corporate success in America has been in a kind of recession. The total number of people who play has declined or remained flat each year since 2000, dropping to about 26 million from 30 million, according to the National Golf Foundation and the Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association.

More troubling to golf boosters, the number of people who play 25 times a year or more fell to 4.6 million in 2005 from 6.9 million in 2000, a loss of about a third. The industry now counts its core players as those who golf eight or more times a year. That number, too, has fallen, but more slowly: to 15 million in 2006 from 17.7 million in 2000, according to the National Golf Foundation.â€</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please consider this information when thinking about whether a liquor<br />
license will make the A2 golf course more competitive with private<br />
courses. How much more of the taxpayers money are you willing to<br />
spend to compete with private courses on a sport in which people are<br />
losing interest?</p>
<p>Read the whole <a target="_blank" title="go to NY Times online article" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/nyregion/21golf.html?">NY Times article</a>: â€œMore Americans Are Giving Up Golfâ€</p>
<p>Here is an excerpt:</p>
<p>â€œWe have to change our mentality,â€ said Richard Rocchio, a public relations consultant.</p>
<p>â€œThe problem is time,â€ offered Walter Hurney, a real estate developer. â€œThere just isnâ€™t enough time. Men wonâ€™t spend a whole day away from their family anymore.â€</p>
<p>William A. Gatz, owner of the Long Island National Golf Club in Riverhead, said the problem was fundamental economics: too much supply, not enough demand.</p>
<p>The problem was not a game of golf. It was the game of golf itself.</p>
<p>Over the past decade, the leisure activity most closely associated with corporate success in America has been in a kind of recession. The total number of people who play has declined or remained flat each year since 2000, dropping to about 26 million from 30 million, according to the National Golf Foundation and the Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association.</p>
<p>More troubling to golf boosters, the number of people who play 25 times a year or more fell to 4.6 million in 2005 from 6.9 million in 2000, a loss of about a third. The industry now counts its core players as those who golf eight or more times a year. That number, too, has fallen, but more slowly: to 15 million in 2006 from 17.7 million in 2000, according to the National Golf Foundation.â€</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Steinhauer</title>
		<link>http://ronsuarez.com/2008/02/05/city-of-ann-arbor-awards-liquor-license-to-itself/#comment-16302</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Steinhauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 14:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, I agree with your statements.  As a long time advocate and citizen of the city of Ann Arbor, it has been extremely disappointing to watch the antics of city council.  With jobs leaving MIchigan due to the automotive industry and Pfizer this is a time when the City Council and the Mayor should be coming together to attract more people to live in Ann Arbor, not discouraging relocation here.  We need a government that will help support local businesses and developers to grow the economy.  But that is clearly not the focus of some City Council members.  How can a clear business plan that would increase economic activity while supporting non-profit organizations lose to a golf course that still may fail even though they can now serve beer?  The sneaky tactics by certain City Council members evident in the Everyday Cook liquor license battle are abominable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, I agree with your statements.  As a long time advocate and citizen of the city of Ann Arbor, it has been extremely disappointing to watch the antics of city council.  With jobs leaving MIchigan due to the automotive industry and Pfizer this is a time when the City Council and the Mayor should be coming together to attract more people to live in Ann Arbor, not discouraging relocation here.  We need a government that will help support local businesses and developers to grow the economy.  But that is clearly not the focus of some City Council members.  How can a clear business plan that would increase economic activity while supporting non-profit organizations lose to a golf course that still may fail even though they can now serve beer?  The sneaky tactics by certain City Council members evident in the Everyday Cook liquor license battle are abominable.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://ronsuarez.com/2008/02/05/city-of-ann-arbor-awards-liquor-license-to-itself/#comment-16256</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edward,

The Leopold Bros suggestion is in no way applicable to what Everyday Cook needs from a liquor license.  All a wine maker's license allows you to do is bottle wine from your or someone else's barrels.  But Mary doesn't make wine, and 99.9% of wineries aren't going to offer their barrels for someone else to bottle, since it limits their quality control.

Everyday Cook wants to offer wines from around the world for wine classes, a wine tasting room, non-profit fundraisers, supper clubs, and their existing lunches. 

It was thoughtful of Todd Leopold to offer the suggestion, but it really doesn't apply.

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward,</p>
<p>The Leopold Bros suggestion is in no way applicable to what Everyday Cook needs from a liquor license.  All a wine maker&#8217;s license allows you to do is bottle wine from your or someone else&#8217;s barrels.  But Mary doesn&#8217;t make wine, and 99.9% of wineries aren&#8217;t going to offer their barrels for someone else to bottle, since it limits their quality control.</p>
<p>Everyday Cook wants to offer wines from around the world for wine classes, a wine tasting room, non-profit fundraisers, supper clubs, and their existing lunches. </p>
<p>It was thoughtful of Todd Leopold to offer the suggestion, but it really doesn&#8217;t apply.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kerr &#124; links for 2008-02-06</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Kerr &#124; links for 2008-02-06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ron Suarez &#8212; Ann Arbor City Council Member &#124; City of Ann Arbor Awards Liquor License to Itself City Council, liquor license hot potato, Everyday Cook, and the Leslie Golf Blight. Good post, but stop reading when you hit the Wall of Crowdsourcing. (tags: annarbor warning-warning city council control-mobs) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ron Suarez &#8212; Ann Arbor City Council Member | City of Ann Arbor Awards Liquor License to Itself City Council, liquor license hot potato, Everyday Cook, and the Leslie Golf Blight. Good post, but stop reading when you hit the Wall of Crowdsourcing. (tags: annarbor warning-warning city council control-mobs) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Sidney</title>
		<link>http://ronsuarez.com/2008/02/05/city-of-ann-arbor-awards-liquor-license-to-itself/#comment-16035</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Sidney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The council majority seems more interested in throwing money at big developers and big business than nurturing the small local businesses that make us want to live here.  A good example was Council Member Rapundalo moving the vote on a tax break for Pro Quest to the top of the agenda so the two people who came for that could leave early while the many more who came to hear about Everyday Cook had to wait.  The message that the public was not important could not have been clearer.

The so called support for Leslie was a sham.  The  PAC hearing on the license was never advertised.  The agenda was not posted before the meeting and the newspaper advertisement just stated the time and location of the PAC meeting, not that there was a public hearing.  The only publicity it got was a post I made to Arbor Update after the chair of PAC told me about the hearing.  It was clear to anyone listening to the discussion on the PAC vote on the license that it was a done deal from the get go.  

I find it quite interesting that the mayor and several council members have spent so much personal effort on getting this liquor license for the golf course when there is no plan on how it will be used to improve either the golf experience or the golf bottom line.  I think we have not seen the end of this sleazy story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The council majority seems more interested in throwing money at big developers and big business than nurturing the small local businesses that make us want to live here.  A good example was Council Member Rapundalo moving the vote on a tax break for Pro Quest to the top of the agenda so the two people who came for that could leave early while the many more who came to hear about Everyday Cook had to wait.  The message that the public was not important could not have been clearer.</p>
<p>The so called support for Leslie was a sham.  The  PAC hearing on the license was never advertised.  The agenda was not posted before the meeting and the newspaper advertisement just stated the time and location of the PAC meeting, not that there was a public hearing.  The only publicity it got was a post I made to Arbor Update after the chair of PAC told me about the hearing.  It was clear to anyone listening to the discussion on the PAC vote on the license that it was a done deal from the get go.  </p>
<p>I find it quite interesting that the mayor and several council members have spent so much personal effort on getting this liquor license for the golf course when there is no plan on how it will be used to improve either the golf experience or the golf bottom line.  I think we have not seen the end of this sleazy story.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The PAC meeting was also rigged against Everyday Cook.  First, it was originally on the Council agenda without going to PAC, then it was delayed at Council and put on the PAC agenda.  The PAC agenda was never published in either the AA News or on the city website.  I do not think Everyday Cook was ever informed by PAC that it was on their agenda, but the golf course supporters apparently were.  

When a few Everyday Cook supporters attended the PAC meeting they were told PAC would not discuss whether the license should go to the golf course or Everyday Cook, that would be Council's decision.  The only decision PAC stated was open for discussion was whether alcohol should be served at the golf course.  When presented with tales of gloom, and the threatened sale of the golf courses unless alcohol were served, it was hardly surprising that PAC voted in favor of "saving the golf courses" 

When the issue returned to Council it was presented as: "PAC recommends the license be given to the golf course"  with the implication that PAC discussed and preferred the golf course to Everyday Cook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PAC meeting was also rigged against Everyday Cook.  First, it was originally on the Council agenda without going to PAC, then it was delayed at Council and put on the PAC agenda.  The PAC agenda was never published in either the AA News or on the city website.  I do not think Everyday Cook was ever informed by PAC that it was on their agenda, but the golf course supporters apparently were.  </p>
<p>When a few Everyday Cook supporters attended the PAC meeting they were told PAC would not discuss whether the license should go to the golf course or Everyday Cook, that would be Council&#8217;s decision.  The only decision PAC stated was open for discussion was whether alcohol should be served at the golf course.  When presented with tales of gloom, and the threatened sale of the golf courses unless alcohol were served, it was hardly surprising that PAC voted in favor of &#8220;saving the golf courses&#8221; </p>
<p>When the issue returned to Council it was presented as: &#8220;PAC recommends the license be given to the golf course&#8221;  with the implication that PAC discussed and preferred the golf course to Everyday Cook.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Vielmetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Vielmetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron - 

there's a good comment on ann arbor is overrated from the leopold bros folks (who are exiting town for colorado) suggesting that Everyday Wine get a small wine maker's license from the state and bottle their own wines; the cost is a lot less, and it's not subject to quite so much in the way of zero-sum games at the city level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron - </p>
<p>there&#8217;s a good comment on ann arbor is overrated from the leopold bros folks (who are exiting town for colorado) suggesting that Everyday Wine get a small wine maker&#8217;s license from the state and bottle their own wines; the cost is a lot less, and it&#8217;s not subject to quite so much in the way of zero-sum games at the city level.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Eaton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Eaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the thoughtful post, Ron. I had not heard the full story about the liquor license. I am especially interested in hearing more about your concerns that there are problems in the way City staff brings things to the Council. 

Thanks for the link to the Crowd Sourcing site, too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the thoughtful post, Ron. I had not heard the full story about the liquor license. I am especially interested in hearing more about your concerns that there are problems in the way City staff brings things to the Council. </p>
<p>Thanks for the link to the Crowd Sourcing site, too!</p>
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		<title>By: David Cahill</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Cahill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a fine and perceptive statement, Ron.  Keep doing what you're doing.  You and your allies are making real progress on Council and are helping the public to better understand what is happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a fine and perceptive statement, Ron.  Keep doing what you&#8217;re doing.  You and your allies are making real progress on Council and are helping the public to better understand what is happening.</p>
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